So, I got a message from Bob in which he mentioned a Skull Skates video called Autumn in Flux. Honestly, I hadn’t heard of the video before. It is hard for me to admit that because I have absolutely loved Skull Skates for years. My favorite board as a teen was the Swank model, and I’ve been wearing the same worn out Skull Skates shirt for close to a decade. Well, a quick Youtube search and now you can see this video too:
This is a great example of Freeriding on a 42″ longboard.
I know, I’ve mentioned on the podcast that I prefer my skate video parts to be just skating, but this is a great watch.
I couldn’t say exactly how long it has been since they’ve gone out of business (7-8 years), but I miss Eastbilt very much. They had a longboard option that was perfect. 21-ish wheelbase. About 10 inches wide with a beefy nose and tail. Set up with some 215s it was a beautiful thing. And you could buy the uncut blank to shape yourself.
Are they synonymous or are they something different? On my other website/blog luchaskate.com (where I will continue to post my current skating) I am going to post my journey as I attempt to learn both and combine them. Currently I’m working on taking my freestyle footwork to a 40 inch board. In the meantime, I’m attempting to learn basic dance moves to interweave. But enough about that.
The next video is important because the clip that gave this website it’s namesake and gave us the topic for this podcast. It is Chris Chaput (yes, that Chris Chaput of Abec11) with some longboard freestyle skating mixed in with other disciplines. Notice the frontside 360s he’s turning. Yes, that is how this website got it’s name.
So, I believe both longboard dance and skateboard freestyle can be overlapped, but are certainly different in presentation.
1. Stops and starts more often: stationary tricks like rail flips etc…
2. It doesn’t count if you put your foot down (just ask Tony Gale)
3. More circular: freestyle tends to happen in a more confined space “dance floor” with audience surrounding in contests
1. Flow without stopping: stationary tricks are seen much less often
2. No comply based tricks are the norm
3. More Linear: dance tends to be in one long line (similar to a street skating line)
On another personal note, I could listen to myself without any self-loathing this time. This isn’t because I was better at speaking. It was because I made notes and gathered my thoughts for a few minutes before we started. I’ll have to continue the note making.
When I listened to the first episode of the podcast, I was first shocked at how terrible I was at choosing my words. I mean, damn, I couldn’t even think of the words “skid” and “plate” for crying out loud. After listening to all my hemming and hawing, it was a reminder of why I like to write. I can revise a draft as many times as I like, and if I pause to try and think of the right word to type, you can’t hear the pause like you can on a one take podcast.
The other thing that I thought about after listening to the podcast was that I don’t really know anything about longboard dancing (although I talked about it like I do). I mean, what exactly is longboard dancing? Is it freestyle skateboarding adapted to carvy truck longboards? Or is it different. I mean, I can do freestyle footwork on a 40 inch board, but isn’t longboard dancing. So, I started doing some in-depth research. Well, maybe not that in-depth. I started watching some longboard dance videos, like the one below, on the Youtube.
Watching longboard dance videos got me started watching some trick tip videos. Those trick tip videos got me trying some new moves at my local freestyle skatepark. Now, I have no desire to become a dancer, but I have to say, the moves are challenging.
Unlike my Frontside360 counterpart, Bob, I’m more unreasonable when it comes to a traditional skateboard shaped longboard deck. Sure, I have drop down/drop through boards (two of them), and I enjoy them for what they are. They are great push machines not meant to flip or ollie. In truth, I find “street” tricks done on a board like that to generally be clunky. If you see me on one of my double drops, you’ll see me putting a few miles on my legs. Period.
So, when I want to trick skate I’m looking for something different. I’m looking for kicks on both the tail and nose. I’m looking for a semi-symmetrical to symmetrical shape. I’m looking for a stretched out skateboard. But I’m not looking for a dancer per se. At very nearly 200 pounds I’m not looking for high flex. I’m not looking for fiberglass. I’m looking for a long skateboard that I can slappy grind should I want. I’m looking for a board I can ollie should I want. I’m looking for a board that isn’t so long that I can’t throw down some walk the dogs.
I found this board several years ago.
The board in the picture is a loco 37 hybrid longboard skateboard deck made by Landyachtz. Why aren’t there more of these types of boards?! This is a Brad Edwards style board. This is a Jesse Parker style board. This is a do anything deck. You can do some freestyle tricks, street skate, cruise, carve, skog, and do some “dancing” moves all on a board like this.
I woke up a couple hours early this morning, and I was searching for the next board like this I could ride. While this thing has given me some good years I know it won’t last too much longer. But none of the “major players” in longboarding really offer a deck like this. Arbor has one, but I can’t find just the deck (I don’t want a complete). Globe has one but the same issue applies (and I’m not sure about Globe’s quality). Landyachtz doesn’t seem to offer one anymore. Gravity has completely screwed up their choices and their website kept sending me to something really dodgy. So, no good choice there and now I need to scan my computer.
The only place I seem to be able to find a deck like this is through funbox distribution, so I guess my next hybrid longboard will be a blank. That seems a shame to me.
Riding with Style #1 featured some footage of Brad Edwards, but Brad needs to have his own post. Honestly, Brad should have a series of posts (and that could happen, I suppose).
Brad skated everything on a longboard, and by longboard I mean a long skateboard, and by that I mean a early 90s-ish shape stretched out to 40 inches. And he made it look good. Good?
He made it look great. Cross-step backside 50/50 grinds on transition, bert shove-its, and long floating backside disasters. Watching Brad skate was inspirational to me when I took up a longer skateboard.
I can’t think of longboarding without thinking of Tom Sims (1950-2012). Tom may not have invented longboards, but he is largely credited as being the first person to market longboarding as an offshoot to typical skateboarding in 1975. Pictures of him longboarding are classic skateboard images, and he exudes style.
This is from, of course, a time when the longboarder skated with the skateboarder and there weren’t two separate subcultures for both. In fact, Tom Sims (and Sims Skateboards) sponsored some of the most influential skaters of all-time including Hosoi, Hawk, Rocco, and Andre.
Watch how he moves in the following video clip. sure, it is cheesy 70s television, but watching him skate is worth sitting through the interview: