Well, folks, here is my fifth place run from the World Round-Up Online Showdown. I think, for the only guy on a longboard, I did okay. If I’m honest, halfway through my run, the whole thing fell apart. I should have done a much wider variety of tricks, but I was more concerned with having a clean run than doing anything technical. Anyway, here is the run:
Below is a picture of the three boards I ride most often right now. As you can see two of the decks are completely the same. However, one is set up with tkp trucks and the other with rkp trucks (slant and caliber respectively). As you can see, the wheelbase with the rkp trucks is clearly smaller than the tkp trucks. Yes, folks, wheelbase given on a deck isn’t really the wheelbase.It is, of course, the distance between the truck holes. A true wheelbase is the distance between hanger and hanger.
I have noticed that the deck set up with rkp trucks FEELS smaller than the truck with tkp trucks. When board walking I go into a wheelie on accident often and the the board feels much smaller than the other board. It is interesting to note in that I could easily have a deck several inches longer with a wheelbase of several more inches on the rkp deck to have the feel of the deck with tkp trucks.
Well, not so much a dilemma as a situation and not so much a situation as just another switch in bushings.
After feeling like I’ve talked smack about Bones bushings in both a podcast and a post. . .I’ve gone back to them in my freestyle/dancing hybrid longboard. Yep. I switched back.
You see, the week after I switched out bushings from Bones to Riptide I felt off. I felt off the whole week. I thought maybe skating seven days a week for over a month added into my other workout routines had made me tired. I thought maybe I needed to give my body a rest and promised myself that, after I finish getting ready for the Round-Up Online Showdown, I would take a few days off the board to rest.
And then I realized it wasn’t the weight lifting, running, cycling, and skating adding up to too much activity. I didn’t necessarily feel tired I was just skating as if I was tired. Nope. It was the change in bushings. Sure, the Riptide pump better. Sure, they return to center better (they are barrels after all). But they just didn’t feel right for this board. So, indeed, I am back on Bones Hardcore bushings once again. They are much better for the freestyle aspects of my skating on this board. However, I am about to throw these Riptides on another set up to see how they work. I think they might be just right for a non-freestyle related set up.
Jeff Tatum, lifer longerboard skater, showing how important it is to be comfortable and relaxed when you skate.
My Riptide Krank Street bushings have arrived this week and I’ve installed them onto my Globe board. As you can see from the photo, they make my set up a double barrel. What that has done is made my board return to center much more quickly than a double cone set up will.
The 94a hardness seems to give it enough stability, and the turn is very nice with this set up. Now, setting up a board with Riptides will cost about double the amount Bones cost, but the real test of value will be how long they last in comparison to the Bones.
Update: After about a half hour on these this morning, I switched out the front roadside bushing to a Riptide 84a red short street krank barrel. It turns/pumps a little better, but still returns to center nicely. I had used the 84a reds on a slalom set up before I bought a bennett vector truck. I had originally wanted to keep the set up exactly the same between the two trucks, but I like the red up front a little better.
It was my conversation with Bob during this episode that made me conclude that Bones Hardcore bushings aren’t as good as I think they are. Sure, they come out of the package and onto the board feeling great. Sure, they have great rebound for cones up front. Sure they are great at first.
Unfortunately, it is after a couple months of riding that they lose their luster. They bore out too wide becoming sloppy at the bottom of the bushing (where the insert isn’t). I looked into my miscellaneous skate stuff box (containing tons of bushings, bolts, sex bolts etc…) and looked through my used Bones bushings. The hole in which the kingpins sit is too wide on all of the used bushings. They lose their shape. As Bob pointed out, this is the same company’s urethane that I just had issues chunking in a set of wheels. Maybe I’m ready to switch from Powell products?
On the opposite side of the coin, Bob absolutely loves the harder Bones STF wheels. No chunking issues on the harder wheels. It is interesting.
Also interesting is that I can’t seem to keep cone and barrel straight in my mind during conversations. I continually called barrels cones and called cones barrels. Sheesh.
I’ve actually ordered some Riptide Street Barrels and Short Street Barrels in a harder duro to try out on my freestyle/dance board. I’ve added some pumping to it and, yes, the Bones bushings will pump, but I’d like to see if these Krank formula Riptide barrels will rebound to center better than the Bones cones. I have a feeling they will if only because they are barrels. I don’t want to pump long distances and I don’t want a soft bushing up front because I want to continue focusing on freestyle footwork and dance.
In my last post, I wrote about my current longboard setup. In that post, I mentioned that I had changed the wheels on my board from the stock setup to a set of Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 80a ATF formula wheels. The AWOL made it two months, but started chunking this week.
So this was, of course, a bummer. I was hoping this set of wheels would last at least another month, but they were already worn down about 3mm. and I can’t stand skating a chunked set of wheels (I feel the same way about chipped boards).
So, I stuck the wheels that had actually come with the board back on it, and gave it a go.
These are a stoneground white 62mm 78a offset (nearly center set) wheel. They are about 48mm wide and the contact patch looks to be the same width as the wheel. They are about 8 – 10mm wider than the Mini Logo I was riding, and that extra width was very noticeable. The board is much more stable during a turn which made all of my footwork easier. Additionally, they slid on a ghost ride 360 shove-it with ease, and felt just as fast as Mini-Logo. This really shouldn’t be a surprise because I have been a very big fan of the softer Star Trac wheels, and as I mentioned in the last post, Globe owned Dwindle when those wheels were released.
I’m hoping that these wheels last a good while because I’ve been scoping out a replacement, and I haven’t found anything right in the same size/shape. I may look into finding a set of 60mm Abec11 Noskoolz if those are still around out there.
I’ve mentioned my current 40″ longboard setup a lot, but haven’t taken the time to really describe what is going on with it. The board is, in truth, 39″ long (not 40) and is made by the Australia based brand, Globe. I didn’t really know much about Globe before I bought this setup. I researched a bit and found out that Globe also owns the third party brands Stussy, Obey,and Protec. They also own Hardcore distribution which distributes the major skateboard brands across Australasia, and at one point they owned Dwindle (Almost, Blind, Dusters California, Tensor, Kryptonics Star Trac reissues, and Enjoi).
I ordered the board because of a seeming lack of standard shaped boards with longer wheelbases. At one point (as I’ve talked about), I rode Eastbilt longboards almost exclusively. I moved away from longboards for awhile, but when I came back around to riding longer wheelbases, standard shapes had become difficult to find. Dancing boards were available but generally longer than I wanted, and often made with fiberglass (I wanted maple only construction). Other longboards didn’t have nose and tails made for doing any trick riding.
This board measures in, as I said, at 39″ long and is 9.25″ wide with a 21″ wheelbase. The concave is very mellow as are the kicks on both the nose and tail. The tail is slightly steeper, and the one negative I have about the board is the the nose is a little too mellow for my tastes. I’d like to have the board feel completely the same whether riding on nose or tail, but the difference isn’t enough to put me off the deck.
I got this as a complete and it came set up with Slant traditional kingpin trucks. These trucks, when sitting next to a set of Tensor alloy trucks, appear to be exactly the same just with a different branding. This would make sense since both brands were under the Globe brand at one point. I don’t know how the trucks would hold up under grinding and stair drops, but for the style of riding I’m doing with this board, they seem to be just fine. The trucks came set up with what appears to be 5 degree wedge risers, and had some very soft, very turny bushings (more on that in the next podcast).
I didn’t have much confidence in the wheels although they looked good enough. Since finding out they owned Dwindle when the Kryptonics Star Trac reissues were released gives me confidence in them although I have yet to try them. I swapped them out for a set of Mini Logo AWOL 80a wheels. They are Bones ATF formula and are fantastic wheels. They slide yet only seem to release when I ask them to.
The other change I made to the board is an addition of nose and tail skids. Both are made by Mode skateboards and are saving it from having razor tail on either end of the board. I also cut out a freestyle circle in the grip which makes both footwork and dance easier on it.
I missed last week’s notes, but here are my notes on episode 6.
Rather than go into another rant on bearings, here is the link to a great post on the Stoked Ride Shop website:
I do a sideways stance for G-turns while bob does a more 70s forward front foot stance.
I talk a lot about pumping on this episode. I really like pumping, and feel like it is something that doesn’t get discussed much in skateboarding except by long distance pumping skaters. They, of course, are a completely different story that we’ll have to discuss in the future. Well, here is a video a made a few years ago. I’m riding a 40-something inch 13 ply Baltic Birch longboard that I made from a piece of plywood. It is completely flat and has cut outs for the wheels. In all honesty, it was supposed to be a copy of an old Gravity board, but I ended up messing with the shape too much and it turned out to not be nearly as cool as a Gravity. Anyway, it does show the pumping before you carve up a wall I was talking about with Bob.